My highest recordings yet

And controlled with Node Red :wink:

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Current porn.

Like @Gh3kko said yesterday to me " Daai is 'n F… bus bar!" They did a proper job there. Love the screen setup to.

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… NOW that you mentioned it … :laughing:

Serious niote. I was referring to that site that never is mentioned here, the other site the choice between an off-grid holiday with the hard choices of which 12vsystem to get for keeping your ice icy vs a home grid-tied solar, without batteries, like a Solis grid-tied if you have spare cash, as few can afford both at the same time. :wink:

When people here speak of going off-grid, one would quickly be “helped” in the right direction, cause it is not about generators and all that, it is about the actual costs vs Eskom still being cheaper. Why not use the cheap power whilst it is available? And doing it as a matter of “principal” is silly and costly, ask any attorney.

Rather take those monies and go off-grid camping!!! … with your 12v freezer cause you know how to do it.

When Eskom kWh charges are in the same ballpark as gennie kWh charges … then we can talk off-grid with a smile cause we would be 90% there already … if you don’t have Cpt winters whom are BAAACK!!!

Interestingly the USA and Canada have record heatwaves, a dome of heat they say … Cpt has a dome of cold wet winter this year, say I.

This is the important part, but also if you legal with your connection.

This pushed me to off grid route in the future and I understand the risks but we putting in place installations to limit the risks.

When I finally got the contract from eskom for prepaid it said in the fine print that you can only use eskom supplied power on your property, this was for rural landlite prepaid. So to have solar you have no choice but to register as a SSEG and jump all the hoops and buy the fancy meter and then still get time of use charges ect ect. I understand in CPT this process is a bit easier and the norm, but trying to find out here in JHB just get silence.

I interpret that as:
You may not supply your neighbour’s property from your connection.
This is a practical, understandable safety restriction given practices in informal settlements.

Interpreted as it may be the only source of electrical power on your property:
You’d have to stop using batteries in your own TV remote to comply, which would be impractical and a totally unnecessary restriction, and probably contravene several laws.

So I wouldn’t certainly believe a reasonable man would be entitled to draw this reasonable interpretation and it would be upheld in any legal proceedings.

Here it is see 3,1, sorry going way off topic

That interpretation is probably different again.

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Batteries would still be from Eskom power albeit delayed and indirect as you would charge them from Eskom power.

Reading that point it does actually not allow you generate your own electricity.

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I think you clutching at straws, thinking that any court would force a user to only use rechargeable batteries.

No, it just states that the customer agrees that all the electricity on the property is subject to all applicable legal conditions. That’s just a standard arse-covering catch-all indemnity clause.

If it meant your interpretation or a thousand others that could be made, a court would expect it reasonable that it be made specifically clear what rights were being forfeited.
It wouldn’t be acceptable to slip it to the general agreement clauses.
Banks try this move often and get their butts handed to them in court. The legal system clearly recognises the difference between financial/technical experts and laymen users.

By all means, obey the law, but let the contracting party justify this complex legal argument. I know which side I would like to be on in such a challenge.

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nah I don’t think so, it says " the customer agrees to take from eskom all the electricity required by the customer for the premises". Don’t think you can do otherwise

I agree fully with you. The wording can however be more clearly defined without having differing interpretations.

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You can. The user might not require electricity from Eskom if they generate their own. They may just not purchase it from a party other than Eskom.

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You shortened the clause now it means something different.

Context is important.
I’ll shorten the same clause further to demonstrate the weakness of this legal opinion:

“the customer agrees to take from eskom all the electricity”

According to the same logic the customer agrees to buy all ESKOM’s electricity.

But impose upon yourself what you want, EULA’s are good nighttime reading.

Ai Dr Phil, that’s not what I’m doing :grinning:

To me the words are quite clear. The customer might need or might not need electricity. The electricity needed has to be purchased from Eskom. If the customer runs a generator/PV/batteries, the customer would not need any electricity for the premise (there’s already electricity on the premise).

It’s not how you or I interpret the words, it is about how the standard “reasonable man” would interpret them. Now, if I can drive a bus through the holes of a very restrictive interpretation, legal counsel would have a field day.

I get it you’re just trying to wind me up, right?
Ok, not rising to the bait anymore.

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I agree with this interpretation. It would be absurd that the customer is not allowed to use a generator (for whatever reason) because he is somehow obligated to buy that from Eskom instead. So the interpretation is apparently that you are not allowed to buy from someone other than Eskom (ie, it’s a bit like giving a real estate agent sole mandate). If you are generating your own… you are still buying everything that you “need” from Eskom… you just need less of it.

Edit: Although they did say “take” and not “purchase”. In that respect I agree with Phil, they’d likely lose in court if it came to that. It should be worded better.

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lets all agree on this then.

To get back on topic
this has been my highest recording so far on from my 3,4kw array on 22 June which is the day after the winter solstice, should have double the panels up hopefully soon.

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My lowest was on 28 June 2021 which was 1.9kwh from a 10.37kw solar array.

Best was 60.7kwh on 1 January 2021 from 8.54kw solar array. Should be topping out at 70kwh in December from the 6 extra panels i added a few months ago.