Just have a think, ICE cars EVs and power generation

A thought just occurred to me, about this inefficient process. We aren’t refining fuel ONLY to drive cars. We get a lot of other byproducts from the process as well. If we were doing all that work ONLY to drive cars, and we literally threw the byproducts away, then we could really point to this inefficiency. But as it stands, I wonder – because you have to challenge your own arguments too – if we’re not making too much of this efficiency number. Another metric to look at, perhaps, is what amount of the products actually stick around.

For example, some of the product ends up as bitumen, which makes tarred roads and the like. Some of it becomes fertilizer. And so forth. The number possibly looks worse because we look at it in isolation.

I am 99.9% sure if I test drive a i3 I am taking it home, luckily in live in the “boendoes” the only EV’s we have around here are golfcarts :stuck_out_tongue:

True, but just because you end up with by products doesn’t necessarily mean they are worth much / in demand.
Because I work in the fruit industry I often see how we try and find markets for products people don’t really want (Too big fruit, too small, too ugly etc), sure, sometimes you can find a market, but the market for something like avocado oil is only so big regardless if avocado consumption goes up by some crazy percentage Y/Y giving you more of the stuff you don’t actually want :slight_smile:

What I would like to know:
After everything is considered : extraction, refining, transport and pumping, ICE efficiency, how many of the potential kWh extracted actually makes my wheels turn?
I think the answer will be shockingly low.

ICE efficiency is shockingly low compared to an electric motor…

https://archive.li/k5Hjd

And in stark contrast to the steaming pileopoo in SA, Australia’s energy prices are going down, fast.

New figures from the Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO), which runs the national electricity market for the eastern states, show wholesale electricity prices fell to $108 per megawatt hour in the June quarter, compared to the $264 per megawatt hour average seen last year when the National Electricity Market was suspended.

AEMO’s quarterly report noted there was an increase in black coal-fired electricity generation “driven by lower planned and unplanned outages” in New South Wales, despite the closure of the state’s coal-fired Liddell Power Station in April.

The quarterly report also said renewable energy sources — specifically wind and solar — along with less volatile market conditions and improved generation ability had put downward pressure on wholesale prices.

“The drivers of those changes in the prices are really threefold,” Daniel Westerman, chief executive of AEMO, told RN Breakfast.

"The first is that coal-fired power stations, which still supply about 60 per cent of Australia’s energy, are down because coal prices are down.

"The second thing is that we’ve had more coal plant availability, so it’s been there when we need it.

“The third is that we’ve seen more and more renewables come into the system, and those renewables, as we know, really do push prices down.”

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Someone sent me this over the weekend. Quite an amusing animation, which makes a really good point: If you say that the EV is dirty, because the infrastructure needed to make the energy is dirty, then you need to apply the same thinking to the ICEV. You do just about the same work, if not more, to get the energy to the ICEV… and then you convert it to motion at 25% efficiency… maybe?

Solid state eh… Do not hold your breath just yet, it will be a while… mara ek hoop rejig so

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There are people opining that this is a kind of “vapourware” announcement, designed to keep people waiting/make the board happy and buy time, because they missed the EV-bus on the first round.

Be that as it may, I’m betting they probably aren’t lying. Something cool is definitely coming.

Aaaand another Ohoh….

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has reportedly raised concerns about approving the United Auto Workers’ (UAW) contract demands, including a pay rise.

The auto giant said conceding to the union’s demands would prevent it from making sound business decisions, Reuters reported.

United Auto Workers’ union demands at least a 40% wage increase over the tenure of the four-year contract. The union also seeks an initial 20% increase in pay upon ratification.

The UAW has reportedly presented its demands to GM, Stellantis N.V., and Ford Motor Company


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ahead of the September 14, 2023, expiration of the present four-year contracts.

Best selling cars for H1 2023

Ranking #1 in China, #1 in Europe and #4 in the US, the Tesla Model Y is the best-selling vehicle in the world over the First Half of 2023. It also takes a serious option at topping the charts over the Full Year 2023, which would end the long-running domination of the Toyota Corolla. It’s a very symbolic change of guard as the Model Y becomes the first electric vehicle to lead a worldwide sales charts and obviously the first Telsa model to do so. More details as we receive them.

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I was seriously skeptical about that. So I dug a little.

More specifically, it is the best selling SINGLE MODEL. That means, to put it in simple terms, they sold more model Ys than Toyota sold Corollas.

They did not sell more Teslas than Toyota sold Toyotas :slight_smile:

Man, that is patently obvious, no? It’s about the best selling car, not brand, as in the title?

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Hey, I am not dismissing the result as unimportant, just to be clear. It is impressive that the model Y outsold the Corolla, especially when considering that the model Y isn’t even sold in all the markets where the corolla is sold.

But I do think the result has a little “help” due to fragmentation. If I buy Toyota, for example, I have a choice of a Corolla, Corolla-Cross (not the same model), if I want to go cheaper I’d look at an Etios (now being EOLed), a Yaris, an Urban Cruiser, etc etc. All those cars compete roughly in class and (if you squint hard) price with a single Tesla model. So in a way, I feel like the result (as impressive as it is), gets a little help from the “single model” qualification.

The point being that EV sales are ramping up fast, no matter what you may or may not consider to be single model or not. BEVs are gaining hand over fist.

YTD 2023

See the decline here…. It was till end 2022

As I said right in the beginning of this thread here, the EV rise will start slow and suddenly it will be over for ICE, we started the sudden part. ICE is asleep at the wheel….

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Not in the 3rd world it isn’t…

We have recently bought a new Honda car for my wife. The engine is (only) 1200cc
Clearly there’s a move to low emission higher power petrol engines which I understand is achieved with direct injection.
There’s however also a trend in Europe to larger cars or the biggest bang for your buck:

https://archive.li/KxzUK

The 3rd World is irrelevant re the worldwide car sales and development. To that point, in 2022 57.5 million were sold Worldwide. Africa, the continent, only purchase 0.79 million during 2022.

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