So 2.2kw @ 230v would be perfect for those catch up days… That is the winner and would expect all “short list” EV’s to have V2L for me to consider them. No gen needed and easy to swop between Grid and V2G.
Its sadly way smaller.
Think VW T-Cross vs Tiguan.
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I think Toyota dragged their feet way too much on the RAV4 Prime. A year ago, I thought that vehicle was the bees knees. Now… too little too late.
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This is interesting:
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Interesting, but is the energy density the same?
By mass they are very similar, but by volume you need 30% more LPG to match petrol energy.
But that is an interesting business to be in - the business only works if it stays small. If it becomes too big, SARS will just add it to the schedule for fuel and RAF levies, and it will likely be more expensive than petrol.
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So presumably the 1l is a volume based comparison. So the R13 is actually closer to R17.5 to be a 1:1 comparison to the petrol price (before taxes and levies)? And then like you say, levies etc. will be added and it would not be feasible anymore, but now you’ve paid for the conversion kit.
Probably not (by volume), but I suspect that for short range use, it won’t matter too much. Also probably depends on the size of tank they can fit to the car.
Their website says the tank is usually fitted in the space normally used by the spare wheel. So you lose that, which already rules out long distance travel.
Website also has some videos showing installations. It has a GOLF 8 (which has direct injection, I believe) and a Renault (which I think uses normal port injection). So both are covered by the looks of it.
Looking a bit more widely, it seems the smaller tanks are round 25 liters, and you will get 80% of the mileage you would get with Petrol. Assuming 8 liter petrol per 100km (pretty typical of normal driving), that’s 300km on petrol, and 240km on LPG.
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Almost 300,000 new battery-electric vehicles were sold in the second quarter
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I found this review about the model Y rather good. This guy is a certified Toyota technician.
He also explains how their 8-way heat pump system works. It can move heat into and out of the battery, into and out of the cabin, that is, it can move heat out of the battery and into the cabin if you need that, or from the outside environment into the batter AND the cabin on a cold morning. It is very very clever.
But he moans about the build quality. Which seems to be Tesla’s Achilles heal for now.
WOW, this is the best one I’ve also seen.
Love it when he says … my words … sell the tech to other car makers who can build cars.
Imagine that … the really cool tech Musk has built, in a Isuzu. 
… or Toyota, Chev, MB … all of them. That will cut a lot of R&D to get EV’s going, not so?
They don’t sell the tech. They ‘open sourced’ their patents, so anyone can use them without license. So they basically give it away for free.
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Then I wonder, why is everyone not taking them up?
Read somewhere, all I left is a “feeling” … that there were some “issues”, and “concerns” around the “open source” patents if others do incorporate it en mass.
Hold on, here is something about that …
Read the " All our patent are belong to you" section …
Toyota seems to be aiming for the next big innovation. Battery tech that will give us really long ranges and charges fast. And they lost some time while chanting “Hybrid, hybrid, hybrid”.
Toyota wasn’t wrong, I think. They just underestimated the way the West thinks. Prices are up, we keep our cars longer for that reason, and a whole heap of people are aiming to keep their present car a little longer, and skip the intermediary hybrid phase.
Or maybe I’m just projecting my own feelings on the topic. I certainly see no point in selling a perfectly well working Diesel, to buy a Hybrid, drive it for 5 years, and then make another transition. There has to be more people like that in the world (again, not counting the Americans who see no point in changing at all).
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+1
Even a 2004 Isuzu Petrol 
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Amen on that … so +2.
And that goes even for a Isuzu petrol …
Wife says to me the other day, she wants to get a car for “her” daughter. WHAT!!! She can get her own!!! She wrote the first one off, flipped it over a dich.
Thank heavens she was 99% ok, VW Polo rules!!!
Any case, after I calmed a wee bit … what about a 250 Isuzu diesel … they have long mileage per liter … not fast, can be repaired once a decade once you have it on spec … was met with silence. Not even a “look”.
Has lots of space for batteries when we convert it one day to an EV … did not even get there.
I think I am already one level past that, I don’t really want to do toe dipping with something like the i3 for the sample reason that I believe in say 3 years time I can probably buy a brand new EV for not much more money than a secondhand i3 today that will have like 3x the range of a early gen i3.
But I still have massive FOMO every time I see a EV knowing I can technically own one, but I want to get the best bang for my buck 
I honestly can’t wait to get rid of my ICE car, the more I lay awake thinking about how dumb the whole process is of pumping oil out of the ground (Sometimes enriching some authoritarian government in the process…) shipping it across oceans, putting it through a refinery, trucking that processed fuel to a actual fuel station and then to only end up with 28% of the energy actually making my wheels turn drives me mad.
Not to mention literally having hundreds of little components (And some big ones…) that the ICE depends on just to function that can fail, getting ripped off every year at the VW stealership by paying R3k to change oil and sparkplugs…
And my personal pet peeve, I hate going to petrol stations, honestly I would much rather wait 9 hours at my house everyday for my car to charge than go to a petrol station twice a month, maybe I am just being difficult for no reason, but I hate the smell of petrol and diesel and with my luck I often go after work when they are busy and often times wait in a small que.
There also seems to be a lot of homeless people hanging around petrol stations these days, not a pleasant sight.
Replace with 'smell of diesel" …
I think the cheapest EV is likely going to be VW’s ID.1 or ID.4all (or whatever they decide to call it), rumoured for 2026, and it will cost (new) what a second hand i3 costs now. It’s a smaller car though, which means that I foresee second hand i3s being the goto EV for beginners for another 5 years or so. That isn’t a long time, and if I had more FOMO-resistance I probably would have waited.
@PJJ, I think the simple reality is that you are one test drive away from doing something incredibly irresponsible. Come on man, join me… you know you want to! 
I remember reading it is around 19% to 25% depending on the vehicle. Diesel cars get close to 30%, but they still have a Nox issue. But it really is insane just how poor that process is.
I’ve also often wondered about the so-called disparity in the manufacturing footprint. We know that making the lithium battery is energy intensive, but the amount of milling, casting, machining needed to make an internal combustion engine, and the hundreds of small parts, it does seem fairly primitive compared to what is likely around the corner.
Service stations. The anti-EV people are always telling you “5 minutes to fill up!”… well guess what, we spend 0 minutes filling up now. The car charges while we sleep. The homeless people migrate from the traffic lights to the service stations in the evenings, and it is the same old faces, the ones I know have turned it into a career and are no longer trying to get off the streets, and are quite often hopped up on amphetamines. A difficult topic for another day.
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