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(Sigh) I want one.

Wife can get a Code 14 … just don’t think it will fit when going shopping at Checkers.

And on the back a fully kitted “housie” to go tipping throughout everywhere where there are no roads, or dirt roads only, with a Musk satellite dish for the internet.

I want one … maybe I must convert Suzy for fun … I can dream.

Maybe I must get a Unimog chassis (the old Buffel), and ask them to design me the plans for making it a diesel/electric … with parts that can last 20-40 years, cheap as chips to replace if they fail …

Fairly simple really, a buffel or casspir or unimog can work, 2 EAxles, a Diesel generator and a few Raspberry Pi’s, some Copper cable you can get from the friendly neighbourhood collectors for almost mahala at scrap value…

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There are four, but there are only really two you need to worry about in the near future, and for most of the world only one.

ChaDeMo: That’s the one that was on the original Nissan Leaf. Almost nobody uses that one anymore, but you can get adapters.

J1772: This is a SAE standard (Society of Automotive Engineers), used in North America. Doesn’t do three phase. You can charge from 120V on single phase, or 240V on split phase. DC charging is separate, below the round AC socket.

NACS: The North American Charging Standard, which is essentially the current Tesla plug. Tesla made the standard open, and Ford (and probably a few others) will be adopting it. Can do 120V, 240V, and even DC charging over the same cable. The smarts are in the charger.

IEC 62196 type 2, used in the rest of the world. Can do 3 phase, typically up to 22kW. DC charging is on two separate pins below the round connector, as with J1772.

In our part of the world, you pretty much have to worry only about the Type 2 connector, usually combined with the DC pins if it is a “fast charger”, which is then called CCS2 (Combined Charging System).

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Yeah. Pretty much NACS and CCS2.

USA will go NACS because Tesla built the first and largest charging network there. The rest of the world will be CCS2.

(Norway has a ludicrous number of Teslas, but most of them are built with CCS2 for the EU market.)

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Further on the topic of charging cables. They are not cheap.

The cheapest one I’ve seen so far is this one from RS Components, which is a 16A single phase cable, just over 2k.

For 3 phase cabling, you’re looking at 4k-ish, eg here.

A 32A single-phase one, such as this one is what I want, but at the moment I just use the cable that came with the car. Which is fine, but ideally I want that cable to stay inside the car, and have one that stays at home. Right now we have to remember to pack the cable if we go far.

Copper is expensive. Even if you just bought cheap solar wire, it would be around R500 just for the 4 main conductors…

Now try find some extremely fine stranded armoured cable (with sheathed cores for strain relief), and it starts getting expensive.

I first looked at building my own EVSE, and quickly realised that the wire was the most expensive part!

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I was hoping for your input on this matter! That means I just have to spend the 3k on the cable I want and be done with it :slight_smile:

Unreal that in this integrated connected world they haven’t standardised these connectors :roll_eyes:
Thank heavens that the Euro plug has become the world standard for low power AC (not by any planning however) Wikipedia comments: The Europlug is unusual as the standard specifies only a plug; there is no socket-outlet designed specifically for use with it.

Blame Tesla.

Their charger was proprietary and they refused to share (except under ludicrous NDA/non-compete contracts). But they were also pretty much the only game in the USA.

It was only when ANSI threatened to standardise on CCS2 that Tesla suddenly opened their standard as NACS.

Since it was now an open standard, and by far the most common in the USA, that is what the USA standardised on.

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The US likes to do things their own way. And the net result is that it costs them dearly.
They still haven’t adopted the metric SI standard. This must have cost their economy $$!
No doubt they still think the world will follow them. I have my doubts…

In a way, they have. They redefined all their common measurements in terms of the metric standard, and in science and engineering, they do use the metric system. It does seem weird though, and I agree with you there, that it just cannot seem to break into the school system, or everyday life. Then again, they also write their dates in a weird way.

Perhaps the thing I like to make fun of the most, is how everything is becoming a “truck” over there. So the term “truck” has its origin in mining, as does the British word “lorry”. Initially, as the shift came about from mining cars on rails to load-carrying road vehicles, a truck and a lorry were two terms for the same thing: A freight carrying vehicle. Then came the shift: Probably because their “bakkies” are as large as lorries, they call all pick-ups a “truck”.

Then, because some SUVs are as large as the pickup it is based on, those are often also called a truck. A Cadilac Escalade, is a truck.

Then came the shift to smaller pickups, such as a Honda Ridgeline or a Ford Maverick, but of course, the pattern is established now, so these are all trucks too.

Meanwhile, actual trucks needed a new name, so they are now called semis. A word that literally means “half” :slight_smile:

Then comes the insanity over other motoring terms. The liquid these things run on, is called “gas”. The front of the car is the hood, the back is the trunk. OK, I am down with that, but then they decided that if the baggage space is in the front, they will call it a frunk. What in the name of all that is holy is this abomination? It isn’t even fun to say it, I feel like a kid with a speech impediment.

Up North, in SA, I see some Isuzu owners referring to their steed as a “trokkie”. Come on people, do we really have to copy this insanity!?

But… jokes aside :slight_smile: There is one cool thing about the NACS system: They use a temperature sensor on the cable. Instead of limiting you to some safe value for the amount of copper in that cable, they happily exceed the cable rating in the name of charging speed, and if things run hot they slow down. That’s why the Tesla chargers pretty much all charge at 117kW, but if you’re a CCS2 guy, you often have to hop around between chargers hoping to get a good one that charges full speed. I’ve had some experience with that earlier this month, moving the Polestar 2 I rented between stations until I got one that could match the car’s 150kW charge capacity.

1" = 25.400000000000000000mm Exactly. So they kinda have already.

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The names aren’t what matter. It’s the fundamental units of measurement that matter. At least their electrical measurements are the same but their weights, distance and temperature aren’t.
It doesn’t matter much for the rest of the world since they aren’t a manufacturer and exporter these days.
I have a collection of miscellaneous nuts & bolts. I keep the minimum no. of imperial threads in this. My pal in California has to have both imperial and metric because gone are the days when the international manufacturers will pander to the US’s foibles.

Some interesting reading about the sale of EV’s

I think a world economic downturn and a focus on Work from Home has to be factored in here…

Time will tell but the cheap EV is still a far way off!

Yup. This is again an interesting exercise in looking at what people DON’T tell you. What they tell you, is that the dealers (in the US) don’t want EVs because they are “piling up” and not selling. This, they tell you, is the beginning of the end, the fad is finally over. Common sense will return.

The reality is that EVs still sell, they just sit on the lot longer now. About twice as long as the ICE vehicles. They are hardly piling up, but they don’t tell you this.

They also don’t tell you that auto-sales as a whole has been slowing down, that this was predicted (because of fear of rising interest rates), and I bet you half of them are not even aware that yesterday, the FED decided to keep the interest rate unchanged.

They tell you that VW is practically admitting they made a mistake (sorry, ChargedDrive is a pile of steaming anti-EV propaganda), and saying Toyota was right about Hybrids (granted, that is an opinion piece).

Then they tell you that even the rental companies are abandoning them in droves, without telling you that Tesla’s aggressive price cutting also has something to do with it.

A small minority of buyers are also waiting for the standardisation on NACS.

Personally I think one reason is that the 50k to 60k USD EV market is becoming saturated. That’s another reason for the slowdown.

More reasons?
Electricity networks are taking strain.
Electricity costs are increasing.

… one can speculate on many reasons.

Me, if this is the case, then I wonder what are the Govs going to do about the legislation of ICE vehicles and cities now?

Are the greenies going to foam at the mouth because market forces are dictating the result?

I like the market forces. The market forces are forcing them to make things cheaper, and to compete with Tesla :slight_smile:

What is also interesting about all this, is that while everyone else is apparently experiencing an epic disaster, Volvo is pushing ahead as if nothing’s happening. Different kind of buyer, I think. Volvo is actually a tiny tiny manufacturer if you compare it to the sea of other competitors.

Regarding hybrids I totally agree. And we are seeing this if you are observant. Most of the London buses are now hybrids (diesel-electric). The engine stops when stationary and doesn’t start until it has accelerated rapidly off down the road.
This is part of their progression to 100% EV in 2035 (I think :thinking: )

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Like that logging truck. Tesla takes a long time to recharge on long trips, which makes for a very tough call.

Vs diesel/electric trucks that can drive as far as its diesel can last, at 50% of the costs of the diesel, and it is more cleaner burning, not to mention the legislation that the USA has in place, to add the stuff to the diesel to mitigate the exhaust fumes damage.

Perfect solution until better tech is developed.