Wayyy off topic - shingles

I’m getting to that point that this is the only way I get a full night’s sleep. Even then, I have the weirdest dreams of trying to find a toilet, and the ones I find are out in the open, terribly dirty, completely blocked, or turns into a bathtub or something as soon as you want to use it… only to wake up realising your bladder is full. I drink plenty during the day, but at night… I dehydrate a little on purpose!

Ok, whist we seem to be totally in the bush with this topic I take the liberty of enlightning some younger folks of an old bush-war anecdote.
There was this Government supported thing, Die Suider-Kruis Fonds, which sort of ‘entertained’ the young soldiers in the bush - Angola border mostly. Every such thing must have its ‘persona’, in this case it was a [peroxide?] blonde, a sort of mother figure, I think her name was Margaret Lessing. The army used to fly her into the operational area to wave and pep-talk and hand parcels to the salivating troepies.
Obviously the Army gave her tours through the bases. On one such tour they came upon a row of ‘lelies’ - bush urinals [see photo]… upon her question what those were the guide proudly informed her that they were the fresh air inlets to their top secret underground command-centre. She was impressed… initially, until she later noticed guys using them for what they were - interesting to note that a lot of them later where turned into vuvuzelas it seems, used mainly during political mass meetings of the former terrorists.

the vuvuzelas of the bush war… :rofl:

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Leon Schuster also used it as a joke in his movie “Oh shucks, here comes Untag”. You know the one where Casper de Vries played a fictional Dutch character called van der Ploes.

he only plays roles in sync with his bearing

I’ll just post this here …

Context:

I agree with Adam Gilchrist, UNTIL it is you/your wife, kids, then the perspective changes 180 deg.

TTS is a well known possible side effect of vaccines based on a viral vector, and there were cases of that with Janssen as well. The Oxford vaccine is based on a Simean virus, while the Janssen vaccine uses a human adenovirus as vector.

Another reason why we should be flocking towards the mRNA vaccines instead of making up conspiracy theories about it. Way way less danger of this sort of thing.

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Interesting, Netwerk24 has a different take on it. I don’t have a subscription so don’t know what the article says, but reading the headlines, I suspect the risk/reward ratio has changed and therefore AstraZeneca is no longer a good drug to keep around.

Basically, there are enough better vaccines with less possible side effects that it no longer makes sense to market this one. That still puts them in a solid fourth place after Pfizer, Moderna, and Janssen. This is probably not common knowledge, but there are/were over 100 vaccines in development, at various stages of development. The ones we saw were just the winners first ones to cross the finish line… :slight_smile:

Let me try one last time and explain it like this … vaccines can have adverse effects on SOME people.

IF you, or yours, fall in that risk category, would you:

  1. Not like to know about it upfront?
  2. And how to mitigate the risks?

Why must this thing be dragged, as above, to courts?

Just tell the full story. Not on the web(!), no. In your doctor’s office.

Thats all.

In order to circumvent some such nuisances as vanishing content I sometimes use f5 and quickly press cntr +p whilst the refresh comes up , save the file to pdf and read the by now blocked content :grinning:

just like the fiendish PUTCO bus😉

Sure, I don’t contest that. I’m contesting the notion (which is probably not what you are saying) that therefore ALL people should avoid it. I thought I’ve been pretty clear that my argument is a cold hard statistical one… :slight_smile:

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yip, hence the endless pages of point 2 warnings - still by law also in Afrikaans mind you - in nearly every medicine package - they have to cover for side-effects like death … or worse? :rofl:

edit - herewith another tiring bush war quip…
whilst there we had to at least once a week sit and have an ‘indaba’ with the seniors of the local populus - good relations/bonding/propaganda/brownnosing - call it what you want. we used to drink the local beer out of kalbasse and exchange niceties… and goods - the most sought after item we would provide them with was a bag filled with about 500/1000 penicillin tablets which was the governments health input regarding the rampant STD in the areas. those bags did NOT contain any instructions and it was up to the medics to explain the use … the imperative to ‘complete the full course’ might have been communicated although I think the more senior you were the more tablets you popped and then only until the obvious signs of the ailment departed - basta full course - not unlike many people now! :see_no_evil: