Lightning:2 - Victron:0

I realise lightning/surge will go where it wants to but hell man…

March 2023 all over again - 2nd Quattro damaged by “hearing” a nearby lightning strike… At the time…

Inverter switched off
Inverter Mains input breaker off
Loads circuits disconnected
PV breaker off
Battery disconnected
Cerbo off

Lightning strike on an old tree stump 50m away and Quattro is damaged.

Nothing else in the house damaged, just the Quattro…

Do I have to actually uninstall the unit, remove from the wall to protect it…???

Ai this is very bad luck. What area are you in?

I am in the east of Pta and we’ve had plenty of strikes near me. Never had any lightning damage to anything in the 10 years I’ve been here.

I get that lightning sometimes comes from the ground, but it does not seem a problem here. With regards to strikes from above, there are many houses higher than me in close vicinity which I suppose “shelters” me somewhat.

I suppose my luck will run out sometime.

It sounds like you have an actual earthing problem - like your solar earth and utility earth is not close enough or impedance too high. A master electrician should be able to detect and fix this before signing off on the CoC.

That said, the Quattro itself is likely also easily repairable, what happened to the first one?

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Hi, yeah thanks - KZN, Valley of a 1000 Hills - we on 1 of the HIlls :slight_smile:
Hope your luck holds…

Hi, i’m thinking the same but Inverter earth is on the same earth line as Eskom so not sure - will have to chat to some clever sparkies to have a look.

This is the same unit, was repaired on the last occasion - guess we heading there again… :confounded:

So I’m wondering, with all the above off, how did the surge get to the inverter to blow things inside?

The only wire that is still connected to the inverter … the earth from the DB. Right?
Can that cause drama?

Or what am I missing?

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Hi TTT, been asking the same sort of questions since the last time and they are now back on the menu…

Cerbo connected via WiFi so isolated from network

Strike hit an old tree stump so i’m theorising surge would have been ground induced…?

I have an electric fence with plenty earth spikes - was electrically disconnected from the DB - double pole breaker so L&N. Fence energizer unscathed.

Panels are earthed with 3 copper earth rods - PV feed to MPPT disconnected via DC Breaker

Exactly my question: “how did the surge get to the inverter to blow things inside?”

So the inverter had N and E connected to the DB … ?

Lets see what others speculate.

Earthing is spooky science with raging debates on different opinions held.

My panels, on expert advice (sparkie and engineer) was connected to the house TNC-S earth spike via the main DB.

This is key …

… hence the way mine is wired.

But panels to combiner box with surge protection and fuses to MPPT to fuses to battery … don’t see how that can get to the inverter when all was off.

Correct

Indeed!

Does this all mean one of these DEHN red things is not useful in these cases? Or not always protects?

https://acdc.co.za/dehn-lightning-surge-protection-devices/1096-dehncord-1phn-cl2-spd-10ka-230v.html

Can I give you a call. Please unplug your pan cable from the GX and try again. Did you try unplugging the ve-bus cable and restarting the Quattro.

I have seen many things pop during lightning, but never an inverter (Victron). Replaced a Cerbo two days back. Lightning took everything in the house except the inverter and mppt. Direct hit.

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As long as either feedback here … we want to learn.

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Hi @JacoDeJongh

Thanks for your thoughts and i’d be happy to take yr call. Will pm you later.

Assume “pan” means LAN cable? - GX was connected on WiFi, no LAN cable

Did not try that… When inverter is switched on, Low Battery light is on (Batt at 54v), sounds like grid input relay engages immediately but grid not connecting

Seems GX was also damaged. Put my spare inverter up and GX not seeing any other devices. Replaced GX and we up and running.

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I feel your pain. Last year January during a lightning storm my inverter was damaged beyond repair. At the time both my AC and DC circuit breakers were switched off. I use the Eskom earth and an additional two earth spikes for the panels and the battery. The same day 11 inverters in my area were damaged. I asked a sparky how on earth the spike managed to get to the inverter. His reply was that switching off a double pole circuit breaker does not guarantee the spike will not get through. I replaced the inverter and installed a 32amp caravan plug in front of the inverter AC input. This is only used during cloudy days to assist in recharging batteries. After batteries reaches acceptable level, I unplug this plug. I know it sound extreme, but it is the safest way for me since the area where I live experiences frequent lightning storms. In my humble opinion, the spike came through your Eskom input via the DB Board.

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May you please share a photo of this?

So if I understand correctly, your inverter’s connection to the db is only through this caravan plug?

So it is inverter input to caravan plug, caravan plug to db’s main breaker?

Would like to see this and if I could possibly make this work in a neat and safe way (db is in the kitchen in full view).

So you’re basically running off grid and only connecting Eskom when charging assistance is required.

Surely this will be cheaper than TTT’s Tripconnect solution… :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Question: Is this to code?
You can do a proper 3 pole AC Breaker which will be I’m sure, but a Caravan plug will also be disconnecting the Earth (or is it not).

Hi, thanks for your thoughts…

Had that one before with a direct hit on a neighbours solar install but on this occasion, can confirm it was a ground strike on an old tree stump, actually saw the strike and smoke :dizzy_face:

We were running on Eskom at the time - inverter and GX only items that sustained damage.

Good point. Surely the inverter still needs an earth to operate correctly in off grid mode? But then if earth remains connected, the strike will still reach the db.

I have the same in my setup. I have two, in fact, one for the AC input, and one for the AC output, plus a changeover that bypasses the whole thing.

My system is mounted in a network cabinet, on wheels. It can be unplugged from everything (battery has big Amphenol connectors) and removed entirely. A backup generator can be connected to the house or the inverter input using the same sockets. The system could even be, in an emergency, loaded onto a vehicle (you will need two strong men to move the 120kg battery!) and used elsewhere. During heavy weather, it can be disconnected entirely, although disconnecting the various MC4 connections from the solar panels will probably be the most painful part of the lot, so probably not something I want to do too frequently.

The cabling is protected by 30A breakers, as it should be. And I don’t have the whole house going through there (the big loads are input side).

It is, by a mile.

But are we not mixing matters?

Lighting vs grid/transformer surge protection, are they even comparable?

Lightning strikes are more like “TEOTWAWKI”. :grinning:
Tripconnect would have attempted its best but would still have been fried.