Freedom Won vs Pylontech

What about Balancell?
I have no experience with them but i have heard that they are top quality.

I spoke with @Gungets yesterday and it is worth noting that he invested in 3 x BYD Flex Lite.

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So basically, the answer to “FreedomWon vs Pylontech” is BYD? Got to love this forum :slight_smile:

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I’ve learned a bucket load from this forum, and this thread, not least to ask the right question (and the right people). So ja, BYD Flex it is.

I’m just happy that it is not a Luxpower/Axpert/King (any off-grid inverter) that you settled on in the end … your newfound knowledge and research done resulting in impressive knowledge levels compared.

Wish you were in my earlier meeting today. A very big group that signed a deal with a very big Bank, tried to convince me that axpert is on the COCT’s approved inverter list.

What a joke. Could not convince the technical manager, but the director believed me.

Those on the NRS list … :rofl:

The thing is, they do sign them off now apparently, depending on how they are installed.
CoCT “got over” their thing of a UPS with solar panels, if I read the sentiments right, as they got the fact that these things do not feed back ever, as they cannot.

This is an interesting insight.
You’d think a big group with a big deal in mind would have their technical ducks in a row.
They’d have their cost-saving projections, life cycle technical specs, power studies and expert consultants on the payroll all neatly lined up.
It sounds like they are no more clued in than typical tyre-kicking members of the public, just with bigger budgets.

I agree, but there is now way on earth i will be in the supply chain of something like that.

I will turn down a deal like that in a blink of an eye.

Conversely, @JacoDeJongh when you are involved with a multi-megawatt project with players whose preparation impresses you.
Without naming names, I would welcome hearing about the best practice approaches to a large solar project for the benefit of this forum.

Create a solution for the interim, say an Axpert solution … client is desperate, and cost is a factor.
Once the clients are hooked, business goes on, Axpert has been outgrown … sell them a Sunsynk next.
Repeat customers and consistent profits is the name of the game.

There is a product on the market, NRS approved, 2 year warranty, instead of Axperts 1 year at exactly the same price.

The group having a name starting with R and the bank a name starting with D?..

As much as i want to answer , i cant, using the first letter of the banks name will reveal their identity.

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I read that yesterday. I have so many questions, not the least whether it is not just a convenient marketing of finance, as a way of drawing clients to the bank, and shamelessly using the big T word in the heading to get attention.

Now now, you said you were able to get on with him :rofl: :rofl:

I was thinking… yeah sure, in typical “giving a man an umbrella when the sun shines” fashion, the banks now all want in on the renewable market. Ten years ago, a green loan was indistinguishable from a personal loan.

It also helps to pad their ESG credentials, they will flaunt their “green credentials” in front of shareholders if they get any flack from ESG focused investors for doing things like financing fossil fuels.

Yeh, the market is desperate, Eskom woes are for “real now” … so big business wants to “save the day”, the distinct taste in my mouth yes.

But then, if big business does nothing, then all those clients still struggling would still be stuck.

Then I think, if big business now starts getting involved, maybe that is the change we have been waiting for toward renewables taking hold in society … I’m going to go with this one, yes, the positive side.

I’m in two minds. Analogy time.

Many many moons ago, there was this cute little car known as the Ford “Ka!”. We used to joke and say it was missing a letter, but I digress. You could “own” this car for R750 a month, which even 20 years ago was not bad.

How they did it, is they gave the car a 45% balloon value (if I recall). Then you were required to put down a 20% deposit, the rest was financed over the usual 60, and you also had to drive no more than 20 000km a year.

Basically, this deal was cut to the bone. After the hire purchase period was up, the residual value of the car would roughly the balloon value (which is why there was the restriction on the mileage). And what many people didn’t realise… there was a good chance you would never see that deposit again.

The deal was utterly stupid, but even though I thought so, I still thought that it is good that the deal exists. Why? Well, because I can imagine that somewhere out there, someone with a low income is starting a new job right out of school, needs a car, and will likely get better pay in 5 years, so that this terrible compromise might work out okay. It is a stupid deal, but for some people it might be the only option.

In the same way, I am glad the banks are coming to the party. Yes, it is a tad late, and yes, it is a tad opportunistic, but the rates look to be good, and it is going to help a lot of people. Don’t mistake my criticism as indicating you’re doing something bad! Just don’t expect to earn any virtue points.

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