Common sense and what goes in and around the ANC, yeah, that is also a stretch of anyones imagination.
Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction … there is that too.
See me fixy that for you 
Groetnis
I don’t think they are creative enough to do anything more exciting than your usual crooks. For me it is quite simple: If they are incompetent (and they are), then they are also too incompetent to keep a good conspiracy going.
That’s how I know there isn’t a large conspiracy going. Any conspiracy that needs a lot of people to be in on it… will leak out in record time. Past 5 or 6 people… these things don’t last.
After many a year served in the old SAPS, in a couple of divisions, I have to disagree. Them crooks are clever, very clever lying buggers. They have lots of practice, so there is experience there…
Groetnis
ANC was formed 8 January 1912.
ANC took power in 1994.
They have been in power for 29 years.
To make them out as incompetent based on a few tokens of what is going on, I won’t “write them off” as that incompetent. That will be very shortsighted on my part.
Ja nee okay …
If ever it was clear, now it is clearer, consumption and not a care in the World, as long as there is tax monies, spend it. Wait until failure sets in, then flog them horse a bit more and hop it runs again. No building new, no inventiong solutions, let them comrades eat….
HongorGroetnis
Hence this thread … Eskom … is there ANY chance?
Coupled with that the ANC has been around since 1912, yeah, I don’t think that Eskom has a chance under their rule.
What keeps Eskom going today, every day, is the number of patriots inside of Eskom. Dedicated and “committed to SA” people. People who have to face intimidation, criminal syndicates, rogue managers with ongoing political interference every day at the top level.
People who have not given up on Eskom/SA.
Respect.
Then I wonder, what if this is all a “joke on us”? That the ANC is carefully crafting this game so that the private sector can take over electricity generation? (Seeing what Cpt is doing.)
And then when that is working, they find ways to “come for that” in some way or form?
Or … maybe I have this all wrong seeing as I have not had my 2nd cup of coffee yet …
I think your being too optimistic there Sarel. Things are run into the ground on purpose because then big emergency tenders can go out to replace them where huge amounts of money can be stolen. Even though this goes hand in hand with terrible service delivery for the poor, less jobs for the poor and less tax available to help the poor (if they ever wanted to).
It has been a sad realisation over the last 5 years that what I ascribed to incompetence is in actual fact more often than not malice where the ANC is involved.
The tendency of liberals to assume other people share their world view and relatively good intentions has been our (my) biggest mistake…
Definition to start: For any organization, its core competency refers to the capabilities, knowledge, skills and resources that constitute its “defining strength.”
There is a huge difference in Core Competencies between struggle organisation (instability/rule change)/political party and government (management and leadership) so they had little chance of making the shift to a new management style and and a new set of competencies.
Here is the problem I see with that … there is no more money left in SA, other than in the private sector.
SARS is not collecting what it budgeted, Gov is spending more and more, SA is heading for bankruptcy.
Now for Big Business to invest in SA, Big Business needs assurance, surety, and no thieving of their profits. They can sort it, no question about that.
And THAT “security”, the ANC can never give that. Ever.
The ANC has shown international investors too, that it is a risky business doing business with the ANC.
Moody’s, Standard & Poor’s, and Fitch, their ratings dictate the “risk vs reward”.
Stalemate.
Ditsim!
Hence one must not think that the ANC is “incompetent” … they are doing a damn good job at doing what they are doing, trained over a generation or more.
It needs a whole new generation of new young leaders to fix what the people who should have retired already, are causing, and have caused.
It is not working, this “Struggle Organisation” mentality vs Government.
In 1994 they should have started retiring, set the new leaders up, new thinking … but they did not. Feeding trough, it is time to “FEEEEEED” … and they are still at it.
EDIT: Ramaphosa saying he will stomp out corruption in his family meeting … the Zondo Commission … it is/was a calculated political move, one that cannot happen ever. The fallout will be immense. But it does make some people happy, "but he said … " Ramaphosa can’t do a thing … he will go down with the “ship”.
That surely is a first 
Groetnis
I sometimes think we credit long-running organisations too easily with some sort of goal-oriented thinking. When it comes to power, sex and money, people tend to be selfish. They care about numero uno, not about the organisation.
I was watching a long video this morning (yesterday being all sorts of holidays all over, one of them being reformation day), about how small amounts of abuses over a 1000 years slowly led an organisation to the point of suppressing dissent (objections to the use of indulgences, which was basically paying money for the forgiveness of sins, money that was used for simony, essentially buying your way into power) with violence.
I think political parties have the same problems. They lose their way.
We may not agree with where they started in 1912, but I am exceedingly careful to attribute any sort of sentient planning over anything longer than 25 years. Ish. Our latest nonsense goes back to 2007, and some of it can be traced to Mbeki’s limpwristed government of the late 90s. Not much more.
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Now this hits the spot.
Started his thread in Nov 2021 “Eskom … is the ANY chance?” … I don’t think there is.
Later I added, “In Cpt there is” … cause there is will here to do it.
Now nothing in this video has not been reported somewhere, thought of, speculated on. “gutfeel”.
De Ruyter, respect man. He knew when it was time to go … he tried EVERYTHING.
Eskom is going to be the ANC’s “Alamo”. They are besieged from all sides, in their “fort”.
The ANC knows EXACTLY how to play the game they are playing.
I once told the story of my staff member who was in Botswana seeing a client there. Asked my staff member to ask the client, what do they think about the ANC and SA? The client told him us whities have NO idea how African politics works.
That was more than a decade back. The client was right.
Also I dont think you need anything close to a 25 year plan in order to plan to steal with tenders and run things into the ground in order to get more tenders. That is very short term planning.
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We learn though. And one reason I know this… is I know actual companies exist (white owned!) that help employers navigate strikes (not quite the same thing, but still plays in that cultural space). They make a study of exactly how to approach someone of a different culture, to resolve a strike faster.
These negotiators walk in the door, and they start with the person. Eat together, have drinks together, get to know each other so your opponent knows you are not his enemy. Then you start negotiating. The Western way is to storm in the door, stating loudly that we need to resolve this quick, and then be amazed that there is no trust between the parties.
Is this how it ought to be? Is this the best way? Well, probably not, but it helps to understand that. And some of us whities are beginning to get it: The western way isn’t always the best way.
Conversely, if you read De Ruyter’s book, you immediately see that the non-whities are learning from us too. The basic principle that you can’t claim to be doing anything if you haven’t even swept the floor… seems to have helped.
YES.
Doing it for 25+ years … or until the resources are all gone, and then you walk away scott-free.
… now THAT is damn good planning/management. Strategic even.
Yes, and it is growing fast.
In that I hope SA will once and for all, become one. Kolisi said it so well.
ANC’s Alamo is coming … but SA will be broken, and we will fix it. WE, all 12 national languages will speak as one voice.
I do have serious hope for SA.
Going back in history, everything is only build on trust, trust the wrong person and we know historically what happens. There is a lot of bad faith negotiations around. Both in politics and in business (for some it’s the same 
)
VertrounsGroetnis
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For the fist time in probably 15 years I have hope too for the medium term. Its odd that most people are at their most negative now - but to me things seemed hopeless when the ANC was getting around 70% support and we had Zuma and his cronies at the top.
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