Greenhouse gas discussion (tread carefully, be respectful)

Then it is settled then. :+1:
Sort that and it all is fixed. Awesome.

Ok, serious now, I know of that.

Also noted the NASA data ito emissions from vehicles/factories during Covid. Immense drop in air pollution all over the world during lockdowns.

I also keep in mind that the poorer countries burn a lot of wood for heating/cooking over and above the fact that their industries are ± like Western nations during the industrial age. I also keep in mind that Western Nations turn to poorer nations for their manufacturing.

Real and actual problem ito Co2 … by ±2100, or later, as in that screenshot, for Bangladesh.

Co2 is one big factor that we can see, and smell … and counter with vegetation, not taxes.

Can we switch that all off tomorrow? No.
Can we all plant an immense amount of trees? Yes. Mitigate the Co2 levels.

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Now the question, why are EU citizens now destroying forests and burning wood? Why are the UN not dictating we all plant trees? Or that Governments mandate that their land be planted with trees, sommer using that lekker carbon tax money?

Why are oil companies like Sasol and Mobil not mandated to do so? Why are firewood illegally collected in the northern provinces and sold in the open? So go and do all these things and CO2 is no longer a problem.

That is if you realy realy believe CO2 is a problem. This sounds like the UN and all the consensus scientists say that and show that, but they dont do anything to counter that apart from tax you to get at your money. And even that money does no go to really mitigating CO2.

Me things there is a snake somwhere….

Groetnis

EXACTLY! :+1:

Why is the Amazon allowed to be gutted?

But that is only if you believe the UN and then scientists when their grants and livelihoods and employment is subject to paymasters.

Me for one, nope it’s not CO2. Pseudoscience and fleecing the World out of their money.

Groetnis

Same here.

But THIS …

As I have mentioned, big manufacturing, big oil, drilling piping, the whole enchilada, the amount of methane left loose on purpose due to cutting costs, bad designs, old equipment, drilling, venting … the immense complex ā€œchainā€, not a word has been spoken about that until about maybe 3-4 years back when I first became aware of it, and it was because on the sinkhole in the tundra, that methane came on my radar.

https://www.google.com/search?q=sinkholes+in+siberia&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwii_ZvBoKT7AhWLX8AKHYx1C0YQ_AUoAXoECAIQAw&biw=1712&bih=893&dpr=1

And THAT is just from permafrost melting, letting the methane escape. Those holes are methane escaping.

Permafrost stores significant amounts of methane, a greenhouse gas that is 84 times more powerful than carbon dioxide at warming the Earth over a 20-year period. Roughly two-thirds of Russia’s land territory is covered in permafrost, which can be up to 1,500 metres deep in parts of Siberia.

I grew up next to JBay in the 60s. Whent there recently, an the beaches are still in the same place, high tide and low tide is still more or less the same. My family in Cape StFrancis hose is still there and my family still stay there to this dat. The river mouth is still at the same level.

Was at the boardwalk in New Jersey a few years back, still the same as it was build decades ago. So do I believe what I see or what scientists and the UN tell me? I know my eyesight is not what it used to be, but seemingly still better than them scientists….

Groetnis

For the most part, when the UN is involved, I tend to gasp in disbelief, purely based on logic, and some of my own research and observation.

Groetnis

I will then leave this at that.

Groetnis

Same here in the Cpt Waterfront. I see no change.

It is more insidious than meets the eye.

A few years back I saw how in Florida, and New Tork underground, how they are battling to keep the seawater out, and that was not during a hurricane or storm surge. Each year it is getting tougher.

In Florida, manholes were lifting a few blocks from the ocean during a spring high tide. The locals who grew up there never saw that in their lives, till now.

The insidious part comes in when the seawater creeps into the freshwater tables.

So nope, me and you, with our eyesight, we will not see a change sommer-net-so-korrel-met-die-oog.

You’re making it seem as if asking permission is a requirement human beings willingly bend to…

Don’t ask for permission … rather apologize. But only if you get caught.

The Amazon is going ā€œout of fashionā€ due to greed/farming practices - the simple view.

Between Siberia and the Amazon, any and all huge swaths of forest being chopped down for human consumption, and farming, we are causing a Co2 overload all by ourselves. But that can be sorted.

I think a part of the technical detail that’s going missing, is that there is a time component to all of this. A tree grows at a certain rate, which means it sequesters carbon at the same rate. When you realise you have too much CO2 and you need to get it down in as short a space as possible, the amount of trees you have to plant in a really short time space… may well be prohibitive.

That’s why the scientists look at CO2 on a 100-year scale. Because anything you throw into the air right now, that’s how long it could take before it’s back underground… so to speak. Methane on the other hand is more of a 10-20 year thing, as you noted earlier.

Jip, the trees and the time it takes to grow, one could use quicker growing trees, like i.e plantations BUT one must also factor in the water requirement. That is a huge factor to consider too.

Hence the mention of other quicker fixes, fixes that have to take place in any case, to buy time for the trees to grow, desalination for water, or whatnot instead of taxes. Companies and everyone is ā€œtaxedā€ to plant and water trees. Carbon footprint is X, plant Y sqk of Co2 absorbing plantations, vegetations.

And Big Oil will offset its carbon emissions by planting and watering trees, using its immense profits to pay for that.

I think IF humans can agree, and stand as one, like in a ā€œwarā€, that with what is, can be mitigated, even reversed. We just need the drive. But economics, the insatiable drive to accrue more profits, is killing any and all common sense. Let’s tax it all, more profits.

Wow, what a post, I just decided that someone needs to be banned for this… Ill just have to ban myself for not being able to follow it at all… :rofl: :joy:

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Me as well please :wink:

Good, those who can’t follow, we’ll just tax you. Sorted! :rofl:

I think I can perhaps say, in what I hope can be a conclusion, that even if it turns out we underestimated nature’s ability to host us… and all of this turns out for nothing… it is still worth it for the clean air around my house, and the ability to charge a car with solar panels and not pay someone else for it. However politically laden this may be, however we may or may not account for everything, all this tech is still cool as all day tomorrow…

I thought we’ll be axed?! Taxed is far worse :rofl:

Air and noise. I really like the sound a big engine makes, when I want to hear it, which is never when I am at home. It is reasonably quiet where I stay, but every now and then, not even weekly, some biker goes up a road opposite a park from my house (so nothing blocking the sound) at full throttle…

When we had babies in the house… Saturday afternoon, finally got the kid down, fat biker rolls up on some low-slung thing. Stops at the T… then proceeds to open the throttle up fully, race 25 meters past my house, and turn into the complex up the street. Every single weekend…

I almost threw a hammer at him one day. Kids were not sleeping that day, I was outside, on a ladder, working on the house… when he rev’ed his bike right next to me… blocked the reflex action at the last second…