Eskom ... is there ANY chance? In CPT there is

Soooo, we are now set at Stage 6 until “further notice” with this year but in its infancy …

Now watch, ANC to the rescue!!! Karpower ships … “there, we fixed it”.

The corruption opportunities there for Mantashe & Co, blimey, that would be on the next level, the ANC sorted “till kingdom come”…

With Mantashe & Co having 'bragging rights": Look SA, the ANC has solved the power crisis. :man_facepalming:

Sadly though, I don’t see any other way out for SA’s power crisis.

Brighter side, it may buy time for Cpt to get the private sector in place to generate power for Cpt, if businesses can start running again without LS.

The problem with this hole thing is even if every house hold and business change to solar the country is screwed. No power. no economy, food, water.

If every household and business could change to solar, read most can afford that, then the economy will work fine, different maybe, but it will work.

Humans are quite adaptable.

But few in SA can afford that. So yeah, big problems brewing.

Yup.
I mean last years Q3 GDP upside surprise is testament to that, after going through some of the worst load shedding ever we still managed to eek out a respectable GDP figure.
I suspect there is waaaay more power “behind the meter” than people realize, that along with companies that switched to other solutions that are less reliant on Eskom, I can actually give a example of that at the company where I work:
In the winter we have a 200KW heating requirement, this was always provided by a couple of resistive heaters (Around 40KW) and the other 160KW from diesel burners.
Last year we installed a 300KW wood fired water heating system and the total electrical load to move the heat is only around 7KW (pump and fans)

We happen to be in a area where waste wood from sawmills are free, the payback period for this project is 16 months…

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One or two homes or business will not help. I hear the alternative resources but that will only be sustainable if the country itself can run on electricity. Same with our solar systems at home. We will have power but what about everybody else. Sewage and water station needs power. farmers need power to process there produce. Generator isn’t the answer and actually neither is solar. To much corruption and theft.

Also, your carbon cycle on this is far less than 100 years. With Diesel it’s far more than 100 years.

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Some things will work. Agriculture, for example, can operate quite effectively with solar power. Homes can be powered with solar power during the day, and the odd outage after 10PM is irritating, but not the end of the world. Businesses run during the day when the sun shines. Municipalities can do a heck of a lot of water pumping with solar power. At least in this country.

The ones that will not work are the large consumers. Mines. Aluminium smelters. And these are all massive contributors to the economy, and to job creation.

So… yes, we will be screwed. But not completely. Even now there are businesses in Zimbabwe, with solar power, running just fine. If you’re lucky enough to be in that business, Zimbabwe is an excellent place to live.

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Saw how many shops in affluent areas continued right through Dec’s LS. Ster Kinkekor, even restaurants.

Butcheries, no problem.

People adapted in droves … in more affluent areas.

But damn, stuff has gotten expensive! The cost of running a business has increased prices immensely when they need to source an alternative electricity supply to just stay open.

As you say, large big users, are in for a lot of hurt if they cannot make a plan. The entire supply chain around them is at risk too. Some mines are going solar as fast as they can. So there are success stories.

But what is missed though, the less affluent areas, the small butchers, and other small to medium businesses that need electricity that is taking severe strain. They cannot afford, on their profits margins, to run a gennie. Those stats are maybe not as prominent as the rest.

The big picture is one thing. The picture on the ground shows it more starkly.

They are offsetting costs. Nobody is running “off grid” when it comes to these large consumers. I’m not sure to what extent it is even possible.

The irony:

Mine Coal
Ship to Eskom Power Station
Burn Coal to Heat Water
Produce Power
Send Power to Coal Mine
Mine Coal

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Yup, making green also had the benefit of being green :stuck_out_tongue:

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It’s aluminium production that really annoys me.
A foreign-owned company imports the raw materials, then uses mega amounts of power to process them, and then exports the resultant aluminium.
Then it repatriates its profits.

The public gets touchy about sending a measly few MW to a starving Zimbabwe. Meanwhile, they don’t realize the fat cats exporting aluminium are actually exporting MWh at a large scale.

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Good point. Yeah, they cannot go “off-grid”, however, they do make a good case for more electricity available for Eskom to use elsewhere, in “theory”.

  • The 100,000-panel, 50MW-capacity solar power plant will occupy an area of 105ha or roughly 200 soccer fields.
  • It’s costing Gold Fields around R715 million to build and operate.
  • But will save the mining company R123 million in annual electricity costs and account for almost a quarter of its power consumption.
  • That, in theory, means Eskom will have more electricity for the rest of South Africa.
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Yup. That’s a topic that chaps my hide. Not just Zimbabwe. The peanut gallery on social media saying we should stop supplying our neighbours.

Ahem… if I may address such people. What you are suggesting is that we should withdraw from SAPP, the Southern African Power Pool. If we do that, we lose access to imports from other countries. While the average civilian is only thinking of Zimbabwe and maybe Namibia, they forget that Botswana has upped their capacity significantly (and we sometimes import from them), Zambia has hydro and we import from there (when it rains), We have the huge Cahora Bassa scheme that we benefit off of… but some people would rather that we lose all that just to screw over Zimbabwe, a place that asks for less than 1% of our power, and a place where those same people have never actually been to…

Then they get all huffy about Namibia, who has 2.2 million people (vs 60 this side) and has an non-industrialised economy the size of maybe Soweto… and where only about 50% of the people even have access to electricity…

After that rant, I should probably pause briefly and then say 'k bye!

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I think NERSA will make me 32% happier about my decision to go off-grid.

I get the feeling some Municipalities might need to start absorbing some of that 32% in their tariffs to consumers, if municipalities add the whole 32% on top of their current margins its going to be very interesting.

Whatever Eskom is allowed by NERSA, some Munics will “go to town” when passing that increase on to their customers. A great opportunity for them.

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Yep, 32% happier. :sob:

Edit: Or is it 18.65%, I listened to the meeting, but it was very difficult to follow at times.
Edit Edit: Or is it 32% over 3 years?

Edit Edit Edit: It seems like 18.65% this year and 12.74% next year, so a compounded 33.7% increase on today’s prices by 2025.

Level 8 in 6 months time as the norm?