Eskom ... is there ANY chance? In CPT there is

What I deduced … money in natural resources in and around the Donbas region. This rhetoric of nazisim and all that is a smokescreen for greed.

With a tad of expanding the Putin view of the Russian “empire” as Putin sees it, when the nazi-ism does not carry the wad any longer.

In other words, mixed messages depending on who the audience is and what their preferred flavor of the day is.

Some interesting news … thank you @Dorothy

And some context:

Word salad if there ever was one…

PraatmaarnetGroetnis

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Yeah, and I want to see how the “accounting” will work in SA with all we have to contend with IF it ever takes off as envisaged by the “talkers as their jobs”.

We are a bunch of highly skeptical people here. :smile:

You really have to read De Ruyter’s book to understand some of this. You see, government is often in competition with itself. Eskom has to comply with a lot of legislation. They report to the environmental departments, they ask permission from treasury, and somehow they also have to do what the minister of energy (Mantashe) wants.

When you serve more than one master, one of them will tend to get favour above the others. In the present context, this means the environment is winning, and coal power stations are shutting down and silently replaced by greener alternatives (not always from Eskom) simply because Treasury will simply tell you that there is no money, and Mantashe can flap his arms all he wants, coal is useless if you have nowhere to burn it.

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All the compliancy and departments to comply with, and their respective laws, wool over the eyes I say! The reality of the situation is rather more like dependent on the enforcement, and we know who is not great on enforcement hey… Especially if you have to apply said enforcement on yerself…

All these laws agains sewage spillage, and more than 50% of our beloved country’s caretakers spill all of it every day. Same for drinking water. Just look around hey? All of em breaking a gazillion laws. I guess it’s like the socialists/communists saying, the death of one is a tragedy, a million is a statistic :man_shrugging:t3:

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AdR walked the talk … I had a deeply ingrained distrust of the current Gov before AdR told the world what we suspected, “knew”, for we had years of “warnings” of how bad it really is. GuptaGate is one silly example, Zuma is STILL around.

Mantashe may not have a future in coal one day … but that may not make him leave, and that is really worrisome, the “old guard” still walking around, not being led out to pasture as they should be.

We have no leaders.
We have young blood with nowhere to get into a position to effect change.

Oh I know, but in this particular case… it takes money to break the law. The problem in all those cases you mention is precisely that the easy route is being taken. The dead fish are going with the stream, as the old story goes. Let the sewage flow into the rivers and the sea, the money can be used elsewhere! Preferably in my cousin’s bank account. And mine.

Here it is the reverse. There is no money to build a new coal plant, and nobody will lend you any such money. Therefore the go-with-the-flow stuff is going with renewable. It costs the state very little, and you can trivially comply with the department of environmental affairs’ targets and the legislation around it. If anyone asks why, you even have a good excuse. I was told to!

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Some changes being introduced in the new edition include:

  • Splitting the base load into 16 blocks (ie, stage 16 load shedding)
  • Changing the definitions for load curtailment customers, including ‘strategic curtailment customers’
  • Introducing a lot more freedom around load curtailment for utilities

The rebate issue …

“Treasury said that the use of the word ‘in’ made the provision wider than the actual generation part of the system and thus includes inverters and batteries as a necessary part of the electricity generation system,” the legal experts noted.

“Treasury’s misunderstanding of the workings of an efficient solar energy system and its approach to combatting South Africa’s energy crisis through the application of the solar energy tax incentive is not only disconcerting but also appears short-sighted.”

On top of the Treasury’s dismissal of inverters, Webber Wentzel highlighted other issues – such as the insistence that the rebates only apply to “new and unused” solar panels.

This, the firm said, appears to be a cost-saving tactic on the part of the Treasury to prevent those who bought solar panels on or before 1 March 2023 to take advantage of the tax break. Treasury also admitted that inverters and batteries were excluded from the rebate due to budgetary constraints.

Clever …

“You need baseload to be able to run the manufacturing sector, which generates jobs and grows our economy; it cannot operate on solar power alone,” she said. “That does not mean we are not looking at green [energy], because we also need the green credits for our manufacturers so when they export to Europe and other countries they will be able to claim green credits.” She was referring to the European Union’s Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism, which encourages partner countries to decarbonise their production processes.

Repurposing would involve multi-usage of the different units at Hendrina Power Station, she said. “We may try hydro [power] in one, hydrogen in another and a new coal-burning system in the other. The idea is to find the most optimal green solution for energy usage in the area.”

The Steve Tshwete Local Municipality is home to about 120 coal mines, she added. “Not all of them are giving coal to the power stations — only a few are. The rest are exporting the coal. So unless things drastically change in the rest of the world, the coal mining is going to continue.”

Eskom and the Kingdom of the Netherlands Sign Letter of Intent

"During an Eskom media briefing on Sunday, 25 June 2023, Ramokgopa said adding a lot of photovoltaic (PV) generation capacity to the grid at once could cause it to collapse.

The minister visited Vietnam earlier in June and said the trip had made him aware of the hazards.

“There are pitfalls to the rate at which you add new generation from solar PV. It has the potential to collapse the grid,” stated Ramokgopa."

Explain this to me?

I went straight to the comments section :rofl:

mostly 2 problems

  1. the transmission infrastructure not keeping up with the rate of growth of PV (the installed PV apparently basically doubled in about 18 months).
  2. renewable resources like PV causing headaches in having stable grid frequency due to lack of inertia when load and generation fluctuate.

This has now lead them (Vietnam) to enforce curtailment of generation from PV plants - meaning some unhappy commercial scale PV plant owners.

Discussion around learning from Vietnam’s case:

Vietnam_PV
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Technical presentation on inertia with an example of cascading power plant trips after 2GW load loss leading to increase in grid frequency and then subsequent cascading trips of PV generation due to German PV at the time being set to trip when grid frequency exceeded 50.2Hz.

Euro_2GW_Trip

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We did “not” see this coming … :rofl:

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… as if Cyril did not see this coming …

Must say, Eskom is definitely helping a lot towards the ANC’s demise … Mantashe at a Cosatu meeting … yeah, Cosatu, your income is linked to Eskom. Trust me.

More details in Afrikaans:

So my first thought is… What is the green hydrogen fund. Tapity tapity googledy goo…

Operational since 2022, the Green Hydrogen Fund is a trust fund that provides strategic advice and capacity building to developing countries to help them prepare for decarbonising the industry sector through green hydrogen.

Also, what is green hydrogen. Well, that is opposed to two other “colours”, blue and grey.

Gray Hydrogen is the cheapest, but has a large carbon footprint. You take a hydrcarbon, such as natural gas, and you split the H out of the CH, leaving you with a C you need to do something with. The easiest is to burn it and stick it into the atmosphere. Good for plants! Or something.

Blue hydrogen is the same, except you employ some sort of carbon capturing to make it cleaner.

Green means electrolysis, using renewable energy such as solar or wind.

OK, so the Green hydrogen fund is a place we can get money, should we want to make green hydrogen. Our minister of energy is going: Naaah, not doing that. Also, I am not signing anything I haven’t read!

Now, regardless of the optics, is it a big train smash? Well, I kinda sorta think that the optics IS the train smash.

Guess who else did sign it? Namibia. Namibia signed it.

Further to my post earlier. It seems there is interest in green hydrogen already. See this from about a week ago. Similarly, the presidency is also on board. Kenya is also on board. Apparently even Sasol and Arcelormittal is on board.

Again, it seems the entire country seems to be on one page, with Mantashe still a few chapters back.

I wish I could get a copy of that MoU. Would be interesting to see if it was a particularly onerous amount of reading… or not. @Village_Idiot , do you perhaps have some magic skills you can throw at it?

Edit: Here is a similar document, signed between NL and Australia. Five pages total. Minus the cover page and the last page where the signatures goes, that is 3 pages of content, of which the meat is 2 pages long.

He could have pitched for the meeting, read the MoU, and without losing face he could have signed it.

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Gwede “Hazenile” Mantashe wants to be in command of all the facts.

think you already answered your own question - most of these things look to be about 3-5 pages and are as vague as anything (Netherlands also appear to be signing them with any country that owns a pen).

Can’t find the actual RSA-Netherlands document but at least going by the signing ceremony does not appear to be a 300 page novel.

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Yeah, MOU ain’t no contract :roll_eyes: